34:37

S01:E18 Mar 27, 2025

Indigenomics and the Digital Future: A Conversation with Carol Anne Hilton

In this episode of The Future Money Podcast presented by The Interledger Foundation, host Lawil Karama interviews Carol Ann Hilton, CEO of the Indigenomics Institute and a leader in Indigenous economics. We discuss her book “Indigenomics: Taking a Seat at the Economic Table” and its emphasis on incorporating Indigenous perspectives into global economic frameworks. Hilton explores economic justice, sustainable business practices, and the significance of self-governance. The conversation showcases successful Indigenous business models and examines how digital financial inclusion impacts Indigenous communities. While the Indigenous economy is surging, full Indigenous economic participation remains limited. Hilton advocates for combining traditional knowledge with modern technologies such as AI and blockchain to advance economic and technological development. In this conversation, we are led towards the publication of her second book, “The Rise of Indigenous Economic Power.” Where racist practices such as Canada’s Indian Act thwarted Indigenous economic progress, the book deconstructs these historic and systemic barriers and presents an ethical response. To learn more about Carol Ann Hilton, please visit her website. Her books include “Indigenomics: Taking a Seat at the Economic Table” and her upcoming work “The Rise of Indigenous Economic Power”, which is now available for pre-order and ships after April 12th, 2025.

57:28

S01:E17 Feb 27, 2025

Empowerment through design: Kumquat’s approach to Financial Inclusion.

Welcome to the Future Money Podcast. In this episode, host Lawil Karama speaks with Larissa Lamporsad and Kayee Au, co-founders of Kumquat, a product design and user strategy consultancy based in South Africa with global reach. They share their journeys and discuss how trust, simplicity, and dignity in designing financial services shape their work at Kumquat. The discussion explores the importance of cultural relevance and ethical solutions, highlighting how thoughtful design drives innovation and meaningful change in today’s digital finance landscape. To learn more about Kumquat, please visit their website or reach out to Kayee Au or Laurisha Rampersad.

37:24

S01:E16 Jan 30, 2025

From Engineering to Digital Financial Inclusion

In this episode of the Future|Money Podcast, we sit down with Santosh Viswanatham, a seasoned engineer and open-source advocate from Hyderabad, India. We explore Santosh’s personal journey, the impact of digital financial inclusion in India, and his active role in the open-source movement, particularly in web monetization and financial technology. Santosh shares his firsthand experience of how India’s Unified Payments Interface (UPI) revolutionized the financial landscape, bringing millions into the banking system and enabling seamless digital transactions. The conversation leads us to the potential of web monetization, challenges in adopting new financial technologies, and examine how open-source collaboration can create a more equitable digital economy, drive innovation, and shape future financial systems. This episode was recorded on April 4th, 2024.

31:59

S01:E15 Dec 19, 2024

Looking back, Moving forward

In this special episode of the Future Money Podcast, we look back at a year off digital financial inclusion Through curated highlights from guest conversations. We explore the evolving landscape of digital transactions, the role of food in community building, and artists’ unique perspectives on value, universal payment systems, and innovative approaches to creating a more inclusive financial future. Join us as we revisit the moments that sparked meaningful discussions and highlighted remarkable progress in narrowing the financial gap. Check out the full conversations featured in this episode, listed below! Mia Wright Ross - Loose Change Subhashish Panigrahi - Bring Down A Mountain Stefan Thomas, Evan Schwartz - Reimagine global payments with the creators of the Interledger Dr. Andrew Mangle - Taking the train to Digital Financial Inclusion Lena Ghaninejad - Liminal Matter Uchi Uchibeke - Redefining financial inclusion with Chimoney Esther Mwema - Sikhula Sonke: Living Archives of Afrofuturist Village Banking Xiaoji Song - Parallel Society Felipe Brugues, Ana Rodriguez, and Juan Carlos Leon - Re/Simulate Joran Greef - Architecture of Trust Carlijn Kingma - Waterworks of Money

45:56

S01:E14 Oct 24, 2024

Reimagine global payments with the creators of Interledger

In this Future Money Podcast episode, host Sabine Schaller converses with Stefan Thomas and Evan Schwartz, the Interledger Protocol (ILP) co-creators. They explore ILP’s development journey, scalability, and its potential to create a universal payment network. The conversation delves into their design process, which aims to simplify and route payments seamlessly across different networks, much like how the Internet handles data. The discussion also touches on future outlooks, focusing on automated transactions, Dassi (a peer-to-peer implementation driving ILP adoption), ILDCP’s potential, and community involvement through events like the Interledger Summit in Cape Town and hackathons. At this year’s summit, Stefan Thomas will present his keynote, “How I Learned to Love Packetization,” which you can view through the Interledger Summit livestream on Saturday, October 26, 2024 10:00 AM (30 minutes).

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S01:E13 Oct 10, 2024

Architecture of Trust

In this episode of the Future Money podcast, we sit down with Joran Greef, the CEO of Tiger Beetle. Joran shares his journey from a childhood passion for business and coding in Cape Town to leading an innovative international team. The conversation delves into Tiger Beetle’s development as a financial transactions database, highlighting its speed, reliability, and use of open-source technology. Joran explains how trust and innovative consensus protocols are crucial to the system’s success. Want to learn more about TigerBeetle and its process? Joran Greef will present his thoughts on the future of financial transaction databases on Sunday, October 27th at 11:30 PM SAST at the Interledger Summit. Follow the link for more information about The Next 30 Years of Transaction Processing To learn more about TigerBeetle please visit their website

46:55

S01:E12 Aug 26, 2024

Redefining financial inclusion with Chimoney

In this episode of the Future Money Podcast, we convene with Uchi Uchibeke, a technologist and entrepreneur. Uchi shares his journey from growing up in Nigeria to securing a scholarship to study in Canada and his experiences with limited hands-on learning opportunities in Nigeria, which led him to pursue further education abroad. We also discuss Chimoney, a platform for financial inclusion and economic empowerment that aims to enhance financial services, support digital identities, and adopt the Interledger Protocol. To learn more about Chimoney, follow this link.

50:58

S01:E11 Jul 11, 2024

Interledger on Campus

In this episode of the Future Money Podcast, we present The Interledger Salon. We focus on the Interledger Foundation’s work on campus involvement and partnerships with universities. Our guests, Dr. Allan Davids of the University of Cape Town, Dr. Andrew Mangle of Bowie State University, and Interledger Foundation’s CEO and President Briana Marbury, discuss the challenges and successes of integrating open payments into university curriculums. The conversation highlights the importance of education in expanding digital financial inclusion. The episode also explores the program’s evolution at Bowie State University and the University of Cape Town, including the development of a one-week intensive open payments program and the Hackathon, which resulted in innovative use cases by participating students. We hope you enjoy our discussions on digital financial inclusion and the future of payments. Please like and subscribe to the Future|Money Podcast. For more information on the grant process and requirements, please follow this link The Interledger-NextGen Higher Education Grant will accept project considerations for a project length of up to 12 months and for funding up to USD 50,000 to cover work on the proposed project and any costs associated with event participation, training, or software development. Interested universities can submit their letter of intent via Submittable.

58:04

S01:E10 May 28, 2024

Why Digital Financial Inclusion Matters

We’re thrilled to announce the first Interledger Salon on the Future|Money podcast, a quarterly panel hosted by the Interledger Foundation with facilitation by Chief Program Officer Chris Lawrence. These discussions aim to connect our community to multilateral stakeholders in the digital financial inclusion sector. As such, we invited Jayshree Venkatesan from the Center for Financial Inclusion, Ed Cable from Mifos, and Paula Hunter, Executive Director of Mojaloop Foundation, who all share our dedication to creating a fairer financial world. We hope you enjoy this episode of the Future|Money podcast presents The Interledger Salon. #Stay tuned for more! *This panel was recorded on March 15, 2024,

39:26

S01:E09 May 14, 2024

Waterworks of Money

Welcome to another episode of the Future| Money podcast. In this episode, we’re talking to Carlijn Kingma from Waterworks of Money, a project that explores the metaphor ‘money as water’. We’ll discuss how Carlijn, as an artist and architect, makes complex topics like monetary systems and financial structures more accessible, engaging, and comprehensible to a broader audience. And we explore how her project, Waterworks of Money, ignites essential conversations to advance financial literacy and inclusion.

52:24

S01:E08 Apr 30, 2024

Re/Simulate

Welcome back to another episode of the Future|Money series! Today, we’re thrilled to be in conversation with with Felipe Brugues, Ana Rodriguez, and Juan Carlos Leon, an inspiring collective based in Mexico City and Quito. Today we are diving into their project, Re/Simulate. This fascinating artwork digs deep into the effectiveness of financial and economic programs, often found in self-help business literature and political policies across the globe. Using interactive computational simulations of economic models, Re/Simulate steers one huge 3D clay printer. As we explore the sculptural possibilities, the gaps, pitfalls, and even the strengths of digital financial systems and strategies become tangible and apparent.

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S01:E07 Apr 16, 2024

Taking the train to Digital Financial Inclusion

Join this week’s episode where we welcome our newest host, Chris Lawrence, Chief Program Officer of the Interledger Foundation. Chris converses with Dr. Andrew Mangle, an Associate Professor from Bowie State University. They discuss the partnership between the Interledger Foundation and Bowie State, which provides students with learning opportunities in fintech, open-source technology, and Digital Financial Inclusion. Don’t miss the insights into Dr. Mangle’s journey, student motivations, mentorship, and the upcoming event. #amtrackathon.

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S01:E06 Apr 2, 2024

Liminal Matter

In this episode, we are in conversation with Lena Ghaninejad. She will be sharing more about her artwork, Liminal Matter. The installation aims to illustrate the evolution of money from tangible matter that originates directly from the Earth (grains, food & stones) into an increasingly immaterial entity that leaves more people behind as financial systems complexify and access to technology remains limited -thus asking the question: how can we best share the planet’s resources?.’

41:48

S01:E05 Mar 19, 2024

Sikhula Sonke: Living Archives of Afrofuturist Village Banking

In this episode, we are in conversation with Esther Mwema. She will be sharing about her project, Sikhula Sonke: Living Archives of Afrofuturist Village Banking, which she created together with Jon Adam Chen and three different communities in Zambia and South Africa. Sikhula Sonke is an isiXhosa phrase which means ‘we grow together.’ The project is a mixed media artwork and storytelling project that documents informal savings groups as a way of understanding inclusive financial models in Southern Africa. In recognition of the wisdom that already exists within local communities and is little understood outside of them, the project focuses on women who hold a wealth of knowledge on inclusive, open financial systems. We will discuss with Esther how this artwork shaped her vision of a financially inclusive future, Her pathway toward becoming an Artist, and how the world influenced her.

49:55

S01:E04 Mar 5, 2024

Bringing Down A Mountain

In this episode we talk with Subhashish Panigrahi, he is a civil society leader and documentary filmmaker with an interest in tech, media, and society. His films focus on conservation and assertion and broader issues of access, digital rights, and openness. He advocates for community-led media, open tech development, and indigenous sovereignty. Subhashish will share more about his childhood in India and how language influences social constructs and access to technology. In his new short film, ”Bringing Down A Mountain,” a docufiction set in the Odia Language, he uses Open Source imagery to reimagine how technology is built, implemented, and affects financial inclusion.

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S01:E03 Feb 20, 2024

Parallel Society

In this episode, we converse with XiaoXiao, also known as Xiaoji Song. She is an artist, writer, and researcher currently based in Berlin, Germany. Her work centers around community-specific experiences, influenced by texts, games, and performances. These experiences often touch on topics such as migration, techno-politics, and the performative aspect of political memory, particularly their relevance to global phenomena. In this episode, we will delve into her work “Parallel Society, “The Parallel Society is a cyber-drama that explores financial inclusion and equity by featuring the parallel fate of two characters, a Lebanese migrant in Barcelona and a villager in rural China’s Henan province. The game sheds light on financial traumas, such as behavior patterns and psychological impacts as results of financial exclusions experienced by these two characters, and radically imagines a world where such barriers no longer exist, but the characters are still trapped in the old pattern. To learn more about Xiaoji Song, follow the links: Website Instagram

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S01:E02 Feb 6, 2024

Loose (Chains) Change

In this weeks episode, We will talk with Mia Wright Ross who is an Artist, leather artisan, designer, educator, and entrepreneur. She specialised in the leather Cording technique and was one of the eight artists selected to participate in the Future|Money Arts and Culture grant by Interledger Foundation. We will discuss her artwork, “Loose Change (Chains)”, a community based project that reimagines the financial structure by which a litter of lottery tickets are used to question the theologies of money, wealth, gain, loss, and hope that persist through systems that prevail within the history and legacy of the US lottery system Instagram: Loosechange Website: Mia Wright Ross

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S01:E01 Sep 18, 2023

an Inti/vation

The first episode is a conversation with Kokayi Walker, a Grammy-nominated musician and composer who co-designed the Future Money grant. We discussed how he uses technology in his art practice, And how he’s experienced the tension of financial exclusion, and his collaborations with international artists. We also explored in our chat how the seemingly simple exchange of money for creatives awakens larger issues of privacy, surveillance, fair wages, exploitative commerce, and the complexities of navigating financial exchange across borders. In the second half of the podcast, we discussed the symbiotic and sometimes fraught relationship between arts and technology, and how the Interledger Foundation’s Future Money Grant program is providing working artists across disciplines and geographies the opportunity to explore and propel discourse on the vital need for financial inclusion today.

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S01 Sep 7, 2023

Trailer Future|Money Podcast

The Future Money podcast is presented by the Interledger Foundation. We invite people of all backgrounds and disciplines to imagine what a financially inclusive future might be. In the first episodes, we’re focusing on the creative arts and interviewing artists whose work provokes new ways of thinking about a more expansive, inclusive future of how we get, spend, and share money.